In 2001 and 2003, then-President Bush convinced Congress to declare a Tax Holiday for a specific, limited period of time, to end on December 31, 2010. In 2010, Congress extended that Tax Holiday to December 31, 2012, rather than letting the Tax Holiday end as planned. We now observe the same "debate" we watched in 2010, as to whether the Tax Holiday will finally be allowed to expire.
During the eight years prior to the 2001 beginning of the Tax Holiday, while Bill Clinton was President, the number of employment opportunities available to Americans increased steadily, and the incomes of American working people increased faster than the rate of inflation. The wealth of American homeowners increased at a rate never seen before.
By 2004, business owners realized that, with the Tax Holiday, they would pay very little federal income tax if they took profits out of their businesses, rather than re-investing in the business by purchasing new equipment or hiring more employees. Fewer jobs were created for working Americans. The competition for those fewer jobs resulted in employers not having to pay more to attract employees, so the incomes of working Americans no longer increased more than the rate of inflation. Americans of moderate means were encouraged to continue to spend as if they had more income than they actually had, by making credit cards available to everyone including unemployed students, and then convincing American homeowners to refinance their homes to pay off those credit cards. It was promoted as a patriotic duty to increase consumer spending, and made to seem vaguely treasonous if a person of moderate means chose to actually save money.
Meanwhile, the owners whose profits and dividends were being taxed at a very low rate, made what arrangements they could within the political system to have the Tax Holiday extended so they would continue to be taxed at a low rate. The strategy, in 2010 and again in 2012, is to promote the completely false position that "low taxes on the richest people promotes job growth."
The most deceptive aspect of this position is the deliberate illusion that returning the tax rate of the folks with the highest incomes to the rates that they paid in the boom years of the 1990's, somehow taxes money that would otherwise be available to hire more employees. This is a LIE. Business revenues that are reinvested in the business to hire more employees and buy more equipment and rent bigger facilities, are NOT TAXED. These are EXPENSES of the business and are deducted from the revenues to calculate the PROFIT which is taxed. Only the PROFIT is taxed, which is the money left over AFTER the employees are paid and the equipment is purchased and the rent and utilities and insurance and all the other expenditures that create jobs for working people, are paid. If the rate of tax on PROFIT is HIGH, the business owners have an incentive to re-invest in the business and hire more employees, since the owners will pay more taxes on money that is not re-invested. If the rate of tax on PROFIT is LOW, the business owners have LESS incentive to re-invest and create jobs, because they can take the profits or dividends as personal income and pay less tax.
Let the Bush Tax Holiday expire, because it is a JOB-KILLER.
Christopher J Mallin, OldCountryLawyer.us
lyn
4:27 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
As I read your blog, 2 things really stood out.
First, during the Bush era, you blame the government and others for "Americans of moderate means" increasing their consumer spending, refinancing their homes and not saving. Are people no longer to take personal responsible for making their own spending and financial decisions?
Second, from the White House (Obama) on 12/7/2010:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/12/07/fact-sheet-framework-agreement-middle-class-tax-cuts-and-unemployment-in
"Extending the 2001/2003 Income-Tax Rates for Two Years. The framework agreement includes a mutually agreed upon solution to the impasse over taxes by extending the 2001/2003 income tax rates for two years and reforming the AMT to ensure that an additional 21 million households will not be hit with a tax increase. These measures will provide relief to more than 100 million middle-class families and prevent a tax increase of over $2,000 for the typical family."
So, remember those 2 changes to the tax code under Bush, and extended under Obama, also benefit middle and low income groups.
lyn
4:27 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Also,
If you choose to use Wikipedia as a source, they also say:
"... if the tax cuts are allowed to expire. The non-partisan Tax Policy Center has estimated that for 83% of households in the U.S. there would be an average tax increase of $3,701 and The Heritage Foundation stated that those impacted by the tax cut expiry are primarily in the middle- and low-income groups, with its research finding that families would experience an average tax increase of $4,138.
Paul
8:57 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Once and for all how about a flat tax. 25% for every business and private citizen. No loopholes. No need for the IRS which would save dollars as well. In addition to that make it a crime for lawmakers to add on pork belly spending to benefit their State. We will wrist slap once but the next one will mean a prison sentence. That would send a message. I actually had a thought about writing on my tax return this year the simple explanation that I was currently in "spending Deficit" mode right now but hey, I'm good for it sometime in the future.
Chris Mallin
10:23 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
I am reassured that, so far, no one has disputed that "low taxes on the highest incomes is a JOB-KILLER." Always a pleasure when I advocate a philosophical position and no one disagrees, particularly when I advocate to an audience as well-informed as the Patch readership. But, it's early yet.
Jean Williams
11:59 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
actually its such a silly statement, nobody is bothering to dispute it
James Thomas
9:03 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Mr. Mallin,
one point of dispute for your argument is "What are the profit takers doing with their money"? Unless they are just piling it up in their living room and rolling in it they're SPENDING it or INVESTING it. This means more jobs for the businesses that produce what they're buying or more employees for those they invest in. They may not put the capital into their own business but it winds up going to other businesses none the less. If it goes to the government it does not go to the waiter at their favorite restaurant or into the pocket of their car salesman. So "low taxes on the highest incomes is a JOB-CREATOR."
James Thomas
9:10 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Mr. Mallin,
Second Point. Your theory of reinvesting profits seems to indicate that a business exists primarily to benefit its employees. Businesses exist to make a profit for its owner/shareholders and to serve their customers, not necessarily to compensate their employees at the highest level possible.
Curtis Weems
8:42 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Mr. Mallin, Jean Williams has expressed it well! Obviously, you don't know the difference between a “balance sheet” and “bed sheet.” Take a course in economics 101 and then write a blog.
It is a ridiculous notion, as you suggest, that a business person would hire people, purchase equipment, build factories, etc., simply to pay fewer taxes. Have you no understanding of demand, overhead, labor costs to cite only a few examples?
lyn
10:10 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I agree this blog reveals a lack of understanding of how business decisions are made.
On one hand, he says:
" If the rate of tax on PROFIT is HIGH, the business owners have an incentive to re-invest in the business and hire more employees, since the owners will pay more taxes on money that is not re-invested."
WHAT? If they pay more taxes, there will be less money to invest - so fewer new employees. That means FEWER jobs.
On the other hand, he says:
" If the rate of tax on PROFIT is LOW, the business owners have LESS incentive to re-invest and create jobs, because they can take the profits or dividends as personal income and pay less tax."
Just what do you think the wealthier do with their cash - take it home and roll around in it on their bed? No! They want to see it grow! How? By investing it. So, those profits will go for expanded operations or new ventures. Why would ANY person of wealth want to withdraw funds from a company to create personal taxable income? They would not! They would keep investing it to create more money. What wealthy person do you know that stopped making money with one good year?
I think Mr. Mallin is a little confused about the discussion, as when he says:
"Business revenues that are reinvested in the business to hire more employees and buy more equipment and rent bigger facilities, are NOT TAXED. These are EXPENSES..."
Yes, salary costs are expenses.That's not the issue - the issue is less tax means more money left to hire people.
Wilburforce
8:59 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Lyn
I believe Chris is advocating the taxing the higher income people at the Clinton Pre Bush rate.
Bill Clinton wanted to support the working lower income people efforts to purchase
Their own homes.
The net result was that SOME unscrupulous banking institutions took advantage and
Packaged the future of these people and sold their soles overseas.
That scam helped to damage the world wide economy.
Obama was handed a collapsing economy and several wars that started by WHO?
Did you really expect to see this all change in 2-4 years ?
lyn
9:53 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I fully remember...Barney wanted everyone to be able to own a home. A ridiculous notion. THAT is where it all started. Lets face it, not all are financially able, but the GOVERNMENT decided, beginning under Clinton, that this should be. I am not a Clinton hater, in fact I like some things he did. But, the seeds to what happened when W. was in office were planted under him. And even, what if he had taken care of getting rid of Osama before he left office, then maybe no 9/11?
But this is all another topic.
I am tired of people not taking personal responsibility. If they took out a home loan, they should know what they could afford. And, quit blaming the bank by saying they should never have lent them the money. The government should never have forced the banks to lend people money who had poor credit or change the guidelines just so everyone could own a home.
Mr. Mallin's blog is about doing away with the 2001/2003 tax changes and Obama's extension of same. And, he is forgetting that the effects of doing this will be felt greatest by middle America.
MZ
9:59 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Assuming I accept your argument, when should I expect to "see this all change?" I just want to make sure I don't have unreasonable expectations.
Mars
1:00 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Wait, Lyn, isn't a large part of the American Dream to own your own home?
lyn
3:29 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
MLBR-
Dream, yes.
Reality, no.
And I would hope you agree with that. Just because someone walks in a bank and says they want a loan should not mean they are approved for one. But Barney et al were of a different mind set when they wanted to see that dream come true for the masses.
MZ
4:00 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
MLBR: The American dream is simply that, a dream. If you want to achieve in this great nation it also requires hard work, ingenuity, creativity, and perseverance. Nothing is free; someone always picks up the check.
That is why “spreading the wealth around” is such a bad idea. If you took all the money from every millionaire and billionaire in the world and spread it around equally, in a short amount of time the rich would be rich again, and the poor would be poor again. Just look at lottery winners, or the professional athletes that make 10s of millions of dollars only to end up bankrupt.
Throughout the history of mankind there have always been the haves, and the have nots. There is no government program that can change this. The only thing we can do is to try and impact people on a personal level. There are many private organizations that attempt to do this with many success stories. Real, genuine help comes from the heart, not from a government handout or program.
Laurie
12:27 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
More liberal drivel from Mr. Mallin. He thinks, as most liberals do, that the best way to get out of a recession is to tax the h*ll out of those making a good living. He does not realize that many of those are small business owners and that high taxes affect the ability to hire more workers. We don't need more in government!
Second, I am a huge fan of "The Fair Tax". If you have more consumption, you pay more (the rich). If you have less, you pay a lot less or it is waived totally. This is the way to fight loopholes.
Bill
5:16 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I think Obama wrote this.
Chris Mallin
8:54 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Thanks, Bill, I appreciate the compliment.
Fred Pierre
5:32 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Wise thoughts Chris! There is a nice article out today about how a tight economy is causing employers to replace humans with robots (like at our local Giant Eagle). Robots cost less than humans so employers make more in profit, and pay less in wages. That's our future folks - humans are expendable and replaceable. The only way for humanity to survive the robot onslaught is to tax the employer and fund technology education. Already our stock market is traded by robot algorithms, resulting in flash crashes and computer error losses like the 400 million dollar Knight Capital loss. If anybody thinks robots are going away, you are dreaming. Humans are going to have to get used to less jobs, and more profit for the ownership elite.
MZ
5:48 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Why should we need a tax for technology education? Please explain.
lyn
6:18 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
MZ-
I can answer that.
Fred wants the government to take care of our every needs.
lyn
6:22 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Fred-
NOT so wise.
Rather disjointed.
In his rush to blame the rich and offer a solution, he forgot that he would be hurting the wallets of middle Americans worse.
James Thomas
4:17 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
No lyn,
Fred wants to "BE" the government that takes care of our every need. He wants the power to smother us with "governmental LOVE".
Chris Mallin
9:07 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
@lyn - Yes, "Just what do you think the wealthier do with their cash - take it home and roll around in it on their bed? " is what some of America's largest businesses have done since President Obama's stimulus money began to take effect in 2010. Business profits are at historic highs, and the amount of cash that businesses have kept, NOT reinvested, has been at historic highs for the past two years. Because the taxes on PROFIT is LOW, businesses can show record profits which benefit their owners, at a very low cost. If the tax on profit was back to the level it was in 1990's, businesses would have to pay more tax on the PROFIT, so there is an incentive to re-invest the money in hiring more employees and buying more equipment, since those expenditures reduce the taxable profit. LOWER taxes on profit = FEWER jobs. HIGHER taxes on profit = MORE jobs.
lyn
10:54 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
To repeat what Curtis said above:
"It is a ridiculous notion, as you suggest, that a business person would hire people, purchase equipment, build factories, etc., simply to pay fewer taxes. Have you no understanding of demand, overhead, labor costs to cite only a few examples?"
Bill
9:40 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Chris,
It was not a compliment. You and Obama are clueless. Without the private business sector, the government has no money. If you want to have the government run your life, There are plenty of countries to move to.
James Murphy
9:53 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I worked 72 hours last week (my choice), my boss refuses to hire anyone till after the election.
he also put off a 40,000 square foot addition till next year >>>> multiply that by all the private businesses out there all keeping (THEIR) money close waiting
Fred Pierre
2:20 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
It's called the singularity - as computing power grows, humans are no longer necessary. Someone making 23 billion dollars a year will decide be deciding what to do with you. That's why more supercomputers are now employed to rig the stock market than to study particle physics.
Fred Pierre
2:40 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Example #1: Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon, personal net worth 18.2 billion. Killed off the American bookstore. When workers in Amazon's biggest warehouse complained about high temperatures and poor ventilation, he replaced them with Kiva Systems robots. Example #2: Orbitz Travel eliminated your local travel agent. Replaced with Red Hat Linux. Will your job be next?
Garry Kanter
5:41 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Red Hat Linux is a version of a computer operating system.
To suggest it somehow replaced "your local travel agent" seems silly.
tom m
6:05 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Garry .... have you ever watched terminator
MZ
7:23 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
This is simply the natural progression of business. No job or industry is safe for ever and employees need to be willing to adapt. There are still plenty of high paying jobs in technology and humans will be needed to design, install, and service the computers, robots, systems, etc... There is no guarantee that the job or career that you have today won't be outdated tomorrow.
At one point in time there was an operator who made connections every time you made a phone call. Being a blacksmith at one point was a lucrative and high paying career.
There is no question that businesses are doing more with less. This trend will not only continue, but will do so exponentially. We all need to continue to learn, to adapt, and to be prepared for the future. Those that stay complacent will rust.
Garry Kanter
7:59 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
tom m - I don't see the use in responding to that.
Mars
10:34 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Another example is the self checkout at grocery stores and places like the turnpike. Feed your money into the machine and forget the person, and the job, was every there...
Ralph Solonitz
8:32 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Unchecked free enterprise system...Capitalism= I got mine too bad for you!
MZ
11:04 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Go get yours. Who is stopping you?
Capitalism is not a zero sum game. When one person succeeds, it doesn't mean that it is at the expense of another. When goods and services are improved, or costs are lowered, the consumers win. If the goods and services are not improved, or costs are too high, the consumers will find other places to spend their money. What system is better than that?
Bye the way, the last time I checked, our free enterprise system in the US is hardly "unchecked". Anyone who has started a business realizes how "checked" our system actually is. Often times these “checks” make the entrance barriers for a business so high and cost prohibitive that startups have great difficulty entering into certain markets. When this occurs the big EVIL corporations have a distinct advantage over the little guys. Those little guys can make a better widget, provide a better service, find an untapped niche, or give up trying.
Fred Pierre
9:28 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Exactly. That's why I would advocate that we use those taxes to train high-tech workers. Not everybody can just pick this up from a book.
lyn
9:50 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
But why should the government be expected to pick up the tab for this, another expense that each individual should incur themselves. We should be getting away from MORE government in our lives and now you want to add this.
lyn
9:53 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
MZ had also asked above -
"Why should we need a tax for technology education? Please explain."
Joe Giles
11:24 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
$1,020 is what Obama costs WOMEN per year.
Gas prices have gone up and is the same as a TAX
Now 3.54
Then 1.84
Increase 1.70
Average miles per year 15,000
Average miles per gallon 25
Gas used per year 600
600 times 1.70 equals $1,020
This is the BIGGEST JOB KILLER. One of the reasons we have had a pitiful recovery.
Fred Pierre
11:45 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Joe - I thought oil executives set gas prices, not presidents.
James Thomas
4:00 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Fred,
you thought wrong. Markets set prices.
Joe Giles
11:49 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Romney-Energy Independence by 2020
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-rt-us-usa-campaign-romneybre87j0p0-20120820,0,2610963.story
Supply has a lot to do with it. If Obama restricts supply, which he has gone of the way to do. Prices go up.
Fred Pierre
11:53 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Maybe you are thinking about how gas prices went up when George Bush went to war with Iraq, and they've never gone down since. They will really go up if we go to war with Iran, because the Straight of Hormuz will be shut down.
Fred Pierre
11:55 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
And if you are throwing out campaign planks, here is Obama's plan: http://www.barackobama.com/energy-info/
Fred Pierre
11:57 am on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Quoting the Obama campaign: "Oil and petroleum imports are down an average of more than 1.5 million barrels per day and domestic crude oil production has increased by an average of more than 720,000 barrels per day since 2008. Domestic oil production has gone up every year under President Obama."
Joe Giles
12:10 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
1) we are siting on 200 years of Natural Gas Supply. What has obama done in 4 years. Nothing.
2) Keystone pipeline. What has Obama done except block it
3) Gas production on FEDERAL LANDS, or under Obamas control are down.
4) Obama does deal to Import Oill while we Export Oil. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
5) Gives Jobs to China to produce Solar Panels. DUMB
6) Bankruptcies in Solar are how many BILLIONS, Dumb again.
Obama has not clue and we all we have to pay for his incompetence. Move over Jimmy Carter.
Fred Pierre
12:19 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Seems like we are getting off topic. Governor Kasich has recommended that we tax natural gas production to generate money for a personal income tax reduction, but the larger issue of a jobless recovery can't be solved solely through job creation in the natural gas sector. What do you propose to do about all the out-of-work Americans who have been replaced by Chinese workers and robots? Should they come up with creative T-shirt designs to sell? That's why I am advocating for high-tech training for the unemployed, paid for by higher taxes on millionaires.
MZ
1:17 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
There are literally hundreds of high tech training and engineering programs available. I agree that we don't produce nearly enough technicians and engineers in this country. It is hard and complex work that requires years of dedicated studies. We apparently agree fully on that. The issue I have is using additional taxes to pay for the programs (which we have already) of for the tuition.
When one doesn't have to work for something, and it is given to them, they tend not to care much about it. We have thousands of college kids studying comparatively worthless subjects already. They get themselves in debt, can't find a high enough paying job in women's studies, or sociology, etc... and then complain about the burdens they signed up for. When I graduated with a BS in engineering, nearly 100% of my class had jobs locked up prior to graduation. I had many friends that “wasted” four of five years of their lives to get a degree that wasn’t worth the paper it was printed on. They were either strapped with debt for their poor decisions, or lucky enough to have parents who paid their way. Most if not all eventually found work outside their field of study, such a waste of time and money.
I doubt the one’s that ended up in debt up to their necks with a worthless degree would have gone into engineering if the classes were free. They simply didn’t want to work that hard, study that much, they had other priorities.
James Thomas
4:03 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
OOH FRED,
Yellow Peril.
Chinese workers and robots?
Joe Giles
12:35 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Class Warfare-No Thanks President Obama, No Thanks
Fred Pierre
1:29 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Sadly, easy credit for students has led to an explosion in the price of college. Completing a computer science degree can easily cost $40 to $60,000. For someone without a job, that can be very daunting. Canadian students have been on strike because they raised college tuition from $750 per year to $1,200 per year. We're all laughing at that, as our students can't afford an education, and are left to languish.
MZ
2:17 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Students on strike? What the what? I thought that was called skipping school or ditching class.
Yeah, that will show 'em!
Fred Pierre
1:33 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Sink or swim, eh? And somehow that's not class warfare? Roll the dice in heaven, maybe you'll be born into a rich family! Otherwise it's sink or swim. Class warfare is when the U.S. (richest country in the world!) has the second highest child poverty rate. Where's the compassion, or is that only reserved for you and your own?
Joe Giles
1:56 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
War on Poverty has been going on since 1964. All democrat driven. Excuse me for saying the democrat party is nothing more than "PERPETUAL POVERTY PIMPS". When are democrats going to admit failure. Never,
lyn
2:07 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
We have become a nation of lazy people who want to be taken care of. I see nothing wrong with giving a hand to those who fall on hard times - but that should be to get them over the hump. Not for eternity. Also, for the elderly or handicapped who have no other means of support. But, when it comes to educating, you get 12 years public education. You want more, its on you. How about parents start saving a little from the time the kid is born instead of going for the bigger home or shiny new car? Then there will be a little something for the kids to start with instead of putting the burden on society. PRIORITIES!
Fred Pierre
2:07 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Or maybe things would be much worse without Head Start, public Universities, Medicaid, HUD housing, etc. I wouldn't call it a failure that a lot of poor folks have a place to live, food for their children, and an opportunity to go to school. Or should we change our motto from the "land of opportunity?"
Fred Pierre
2:12 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
America added a dozen new billionaires last year, and total billionaire wealth grew by 52 billion dollars, or an average of 42 million each (Forbes). If the War on Poverty was such a burden, wouldn't you expect wealthy folks to be losing money?
MZ
2:24 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
You assume that there shouldn't have been 100 new billionaires. Why not 1,000 new millionaires as well. Unless those billionaires are taking money from your pocket, why do you care? You could take all their money by force, tax the billionaires and millionaires at 100% and hand out there money to the poor. It wouldn't matter. Those that aren't willing or capable of working would end up in the same place again.
There are hundreds of programs available and thousands of success stories of people lifting themselves out of poverty (how did they do it, it must be impossible if they weren’t born rich). There are also numerous stories of people being born into a rich family who end up poor, drug addled, dead...
Besides, our poor have AC, big screen TVs, cell phones, NIKEs, etc… They aren’t starving, they have an obesity problem.
Fred Pierre
2:35 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Thanks Chris for offering a great forum for what I feel is the biggest issue in the national campaign. If we have an ever-increasing debt burden, how do we balance our budget? I favor a Simpson-Bowles type approach which balances tax increases on those who can afford it, for example the billionaires who are each up 42 million last year according to Forbes, with budget cuts, which should be applied both across the board, and targeted at military costs which logically should decline as we close out two major wars.
I'm very pro-billionaire. Many billionaires, like Warren Buffett, are glad to pay a few percent more in taxes. I want to see more people be successful, but to be successful you need a strong foundation - a home, food, and an education.
Don't take the extreme Libertarian position. We all depend on each other in this world. No one makes it on their own, no matter how harsh your upbringing. There was someone who lent a hand, and for many that is the government, helping save their life in the hospital, helping them with a small apartment so they can stop living in their car, or subsidizing their college education through state taxes or federal Pell grants. When you take the extreme position of helping no one, you put all of those people out in the cold. Let's keep a little perspective folks!
MZ
3:21 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
If by helping people you mean paying BIG TIME taxes, I help a lot, far more than most.
If by helping people you mean going out and actually helping people, providing them good work, paying for training, volunteering, donating to worthy causes and to individuals who have fallen on rough times, I do that even more.
I would suggest that more people get out and actually reach out and help people personally and not rely on the wasteful government. Too many think “I pay my taxes so therefore I am helping”. I can pay well over $100K in taxes, send them through the government bureaucracy and in the end make very little impact. I can also take the $100K and start a college scholarship program that can impact people directly for years. That same $100K can be used to help families who have lost loved ones overseas, or to drunk driving, or cancer. These donations are direct impacts that are much more cost effective than providing free cell phones with 250 minutes and 250 texts per month for “emergencies” funded by our tax dollars. Every time I hear one of these commercials I want to throw up.
I agree with you totally that we all depend on each other. I just don’t need the government to help people. I can do it on my own quite well. Perhaps if there wasn’t so much waste, fraud, and blatantly stupid things the federal government does with our money I would feel differently.
Fred Pierre
3:52 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
MZ - I think we are good examples for our positions in this discussion. You have used the fruits of your labor to help others with scholarships and volunteerism. I used help from the city govt. to retrain for a high-tech job, pulling my family out of poverty. Are there others who would only use their wealth to lavish on themselves, or those who would languish on govt. benefits and never better themselves? I'm willing to agree that the federal govt. isn't always efficient, and I'm willing to get rid of it if cities and states are required to provide the health care, food aid and educational resources that folks need to survive. I would much rather pay local taxes than federal taxes.
Joe Giles
11:21 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012
Any excuse for democrats to get their hands on money will do,
Fred Pierre
1:32 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Guess we'd still need the IRS to collect the taxes...;^)
Adam C. Miller
3:21 am on Friday, August 24, 2012
Soooooo are you saying Higher Taxes for Highest Incomes is a Job-Creator???
Chris Mallin
3:55 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Here's a 17-page economic study, published Sept 18, 2012, of US income tax policies over the past thirty years, that shows in detail that lower taxes for the wealthiest does NOT result in job creation, just in the wealthiest getting more wealthy in comparison to the rest of the population. http://www.epi.org/publication/ib338-fiscal-cliff-obstacle-course/
MZ
4:15 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Ok, then let's tax the wealthiest at higher rates. What would you suggest, 40%? 50%? 90%? If more is good, than most must be better right? If not, what is the ideal rate of addtional money that should be confiscated through the threat of force from those already footing most of the bill?