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School Board Divided Over Five-Year Financial Forecast

Members debate spending in the district and projected deficits.

 

The Westlake School Board was divided over finances again on Monday night as members debated the approval of the district’s five-year forecast.

The forecast, required by the state of Ohio, projects spending through the year 2016 based on assumptions made today. Treasurer Mark Pepera said that while the district is projecting a large deficit by the year 2016, those numbers will change.

“We’re doing well with conservative budgeting,” he said. “[The deficit levels] legitimately can’t materialize to the level you’re seeing.”

The forecast shows a deficit of $27.5 million in five years, roughly half of the district’s budget.

“Logically, that can’t happen because we can’t operate that way,” Pepera said.

Board members Nate Cross and Tim Sullivan voiced opposition to the financial forecast because of the large projected deficit, saying that something must be done to cut spending.

“The rate at which the expenses are compiling is alarming,” Sullivan said. “We’ll never be in the hole $27.5 million because we’ll have a levy before that. That’s the way the regular taxpayer in Westlake thinks about this. It leads people to wonder, ‘What is this school board doing to us?’”

Cross raised concerns about increased expenses in the district over the last decade, particularly personnel costs, as well as the five-year forecast.

“This is an embarrassing forecast, and while it’s just a snapshot of where we’ll be in five years based on current year assumptions, it nonetheless represents our board’s fiscally reckless spending policies,” he said. “This projected deficit is a direct result of my colleagues’ inability to control spending, resulting in escalating employee personnel costs we can’t afford.”

Cross stated that he would vote no on the forecast, as well as any other expenditures related to this year’s budget.

“Taxpayers don’t deserve to be held hostage by a continual refusal of their elected officials to address the issue of spending with a massive tax increase as the only viable option to erase our negative cash balance,” he said.

Pepera told Westlake Patch that in over 13 years at the Westlake school district, he has always seen a projected deficit five years into the future, but it never materializes. He also noted that other districts in the area including Rocky River, Avon Lake and Beachwood, have a similar forecast with a large deficit.

“The farther out you’re going in the future, it's not going to be accurate,” he said. “Revenues don’t grow, and expenses will increase because of more kids or inflation, but you gain additional sources of funding. A levy is one way to mitigate some of the deficit but there are a lot of things we can do and that we will do.”

For example, the district recently joined a health care consortium that saved $1 million, and started a retirement incentive program that saved another $1.2 million. The district also just refinanced bonds from the Performing Arts Center construction in 2003 to save $571,000.

Board member Andrea Rocco argued that passing the forecast was a legal necessity, and that the board can work together moving forward to deal with the projected deficit.

“Approving this forecast is something that we have to do legally in the state of Ohio and I look forward to working with the members here to address whatever financial concerns we have because that’s always a very valid discussion,” she said.

The forecast passed three to two, with Mays, Rocco and Winter voting yes, and Cross and Sullivan voting no.

Related Topics: Tim Sullivan, Westlake Board of Education, Westlake City Schools, Westlake School Board, andrea rocco, five year forecast, mark pepera, and nate cross

Tom Horwitz

8:02 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Let me see if I got this right. District Treasurer Mark Pepera - exercising an overabundance of caution, has prepared hypothetical projections for the last 13 years, each of which forecast deficits in the 5 years following each projection, but those deficits have never come to fruition. Sounds to me like Mr. Pepera, Board President Tom Mays, and Board Vice President Carol Winter's stewardship of the district's finances is fiscally sound. In my book, Mays and Winter have earned another term on the Board. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Gail Golembiewski

9:55 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

I agree Tom.....if it ain't broke don't fix it.........

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Robert Bodi

8:19 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Let's think a little bit about this. Pepera is relying on the district passing a levy in the near future. There is no other major source of funding for Westlake schools. The state pie has been cut. We aren't getting any more. The only real source of funding is the Westlake homeowner. And they were tapped just last year for the bond issue.

So what happens if Westlake goes the way of Brecksville and Strongsville, two similar districts that have repreatedly voted down recent levies? Both these districts have shown similar fiscal irresponsibility in the recent past, and the voters are punishing them.

If that happens in Westlake, expect a huge cut in services and large numbers of layoffs. The recent layoff of 17 teachers and cuts in high-school busing is nothing compared to what is coming down the road.

Not broke, Gail? Well, just wait a little time. Personally, I prefer to prevent things from breaking, rather they paying the much higher price to fix it when it's broken. But if we keep down this current path, broke is what the district will be. And very soon.

Duane Gibson

8:04 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Cross and Sullivan show their stripes again. The five year forecast is mandated by the State twice a year. The board was voting just to approve the forecast, nothing else. Either you agree the forecast is accurate or you don't. If you don't, then you can not use it as a basis for your gloom and doom rhetoric. Again these two have failed in their duties.

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Jeff Tock

5:10 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Part of the idea of a proforma is to identify as accurately as possible future revenues and expenses, analyze expenses as a percentage of revenues, address those budget areas that blow up the proforma (as in this case), and map a strategy to bring them back in line. I wasn't at the meeting so I don't know if that discussion or presentation took place. Maybe Ms. Spirgen could elaborate to that.

I see no use to throw a proforma together that projects a loss and just say it'll fix itself. That is not my vision of a quality school financial officer. Nor is my vision one that is not particularly transparent. I think the present board and financial officer have done us a great disservice and Mays, Winter, & Perpera should be separated from service.

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Duane Gibson

7:47 am on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Pepera has been with the Westlake Schools since 1999 and has earned recognition numerous times for his fiscal agility, including the Ohio Association of School Business Officials (OASBO) Distinguished Service Award, 15 straight Government Finance Officers Association Financial Report Awards for the district’s comprehensive annual financial report, and a State of Ohio Award for Early Implementation of new accounting procedures.
An independent government agency has recognized Westlake City Schools for excellence in accounting and financial reporting for the 18th consecutive year.

Treasurer and Chief Financial Officer Mark Pepera and his staff earned a Certificate of Achievement for Excellence in Financial Reporting from the Government Finance Officers Association of the United States and Canada.
The award is the highest form of recognition in the area of governmental accounting and financial reporting.
(The above was copied and pasted from several sources)
Did you look at the five year forecast? It does exactly that, projecting expenses and revenues as accurately as possible. They are by nature accurate in year one and in flux by year five, hence the requirement to do the forecast twice a year. Your statement that Mr. Pepera should be separated from service is ridiculous. Don't drag him into the political arena. If you support Cross, fine. I question your sanity, but that is certainly your right. Not voting to accept the forecast as accurate is childish at best.

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Kate Spirgen

7:50 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Hi Jeff,
The discussions at this meeting focused on passing the forecast. Those types of talks usually happen when the budget is being created, but all members stressed that it will be important to be fiscally prudent moving forward.

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Robert Bodi

8:20 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Just remember: Pepera is an employee of the Board. It is up to the Board to make the tough fiscal decisions. Neither Pepera, nor Keenan, can do so on their own. Thus, the Board is to blame for this mess, and only a new board can fix it.

Westlake Resident-Joe Smith

8:12 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

I would love to hear the rationale for why Nate Cross has voted no or abstained on all items of this board meeting?

http://beta.westlake.k12.oh.us/boe/agendaminutes/Board%20Notes/2011%20Board%20Notes/BoardNotes24Oct2011.pdf

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Cynthea Sabolich

9:42 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Nate Cross ran on a platform of fiscal responsibility and reform. He openly expresses his reasons and rational. He adheres to his committment to that expensive projects may not be in the public interest. The citizens of Westlake who voted him in are continuing to hold him, an elected official, to that POV.
I didn't vote for Nate then. At the time, I still had respect for Mrs. Rocco, but I've been awakened to his message and her, emm, not so much.

Westlake Resident-Joe Smith

11:49 pm on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

Westlake Schools Honored for Saving Funds
Wonderful job Mays, Winter, Rocco, Keenan, and Pepera!

http://blog.cleveland.com/westshoresun/2011/10/westlake_schools_honored_for_s.html

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Jeff Tock

10:08 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

What about Sullivan & Cross? Weren't they part of that team?

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Westlake Resident-Joe Smith

11:04 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Jeff,
From what I have seen, heard, and read from Sullivan and Cross they are by no means a part of this team of positive progress and excellence. Simply put, Sullivan and Cross have chosen to set themselves apart to push their own personal and political agendas. They are one dark cloud hovering over Westlake.

Jeff Tock

12:51 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Duane, considering the way all govt entities disregard generally accepted accounting principles and would flunk basic SEC guidelines of disclosure only means Perpera is not the worst apple in the barrel. I am not satisfied with the current status quo. If Perpera spent as much time bringing transparency to the school's books as working the school treasurer room we would have his financial work on the school board website instead of burying it in the ODE website. A good treasurer does more than mumble his way through a $27.5 million shortfall.That presentation should have highlighted worrisome cost areas that are going to cause this unprecedented deficit as well as recommendations to contain them.There is a reason entities do proformas- to identify and tackle looming problems before they get unmanageable- not just because someone said to do it.

If your home budget looked like that, what would you do? Would you start to tackle it today or wait around for it to work itself out? I know mine doesn't fix itself.

If there was more transparency in our school's finances then we would have more honesty and thoughtful public debate among our officials, candidates, and voters. I want a treasurer who, when asked for last years detailed budget, doesn't say he isn't required to provide it. I want an administration and board who speak to the people. I want a school district who fixes their roof instead of using it as an excuse for a new building.

I'm not really asking for that much.

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Robert Bodi

8:26 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Jeff, right on about being proactive rather than reactive. But again, blame the Board, not Pepera. It is the Board that tells Pepera what to do, as he works for them. The lack of transparency is the fault of the Board. It is the Board that should be clear and precise with the public, but this Board prefers to obfuscate the facts, rather than disclose them. My website is the best source of financial analysis around at this time: votebodi.com

You can fix this problem on November 8 by replacing the Board with new membersw. Vote Bodi for school board, and I promise that transparency will return to Westlake schools.

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Jeff Tock

5:41 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011

I understand and respect your position Robert but I don't think you fully understand mine. I think Perpera is highly qualified and capable. However I think he has failed miserably in the area of transparency. My wife asked for last year's financial statements and he stated he didn't have to. All school district finances are opaque and buried on other websites with no reference to them on the board website. There are many qualified bean counters but to find one that makes the effort to fully disclose is a little harder to find- and one that merits my backing. Full transparency implies honesty. Opacity implies dishonesty.

The logical place to start for me is Perpera- then we can go from there. I assume you believe this is the school boards' responsibility but I am not sure Perpera actually cares about transparency since I have seen no effort from the board or treasurer.

Your campaign sign is in my front yard so if you don't believe in transparency, which I consider priority number 1, then let me know so I can take the sign down.

Cynthea Sabolich

3:52 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Good to sleep Westlakians. Close your eyes and ignore the numbers on the board that are all trending red ink. When Dr. Keenan, who is the one mandated by law to do the five year projects, showed them in April of this year, it was with a sense of panic. School after school was crossing the line. Expenses were rising but income flat. Home prices were not rising at 6% per year, but salaries and benefits were. The State of Ohio was at $8 billion dollars in the hole and our State Constitution required a balanced budget.
When city after city was shown to be in crisis, the solutions Dr. Keenan put on the table were to cut all day free kindergarten, cut free busing kids inside 1 mile, and layoff 30+ staff. Does that sound to you like a good deal? And now, we are being shown the red ink but hey looky over here, ignore it, don't worry about it, la la la.
When the STAGE ONE project was being shopped around, I noticed an area in one school where there was linoleum instead of carpet. At that time, Mrs. Winters, the Pres. of the Board, had photos showing the horrid conditions our children had to endure. Shocking! Outrageous! Must.act.now.to.fix for the low low price of only $85 million dollars. They never fixed the roof, they fixed the floor instead.
I was at the meeting where the BOE was advised that no Ohio district approved $125 million so better to do it in 2 parts.
Good to sleep until they they tear down every single school and don't have enough money to finish,

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Jeff Tock

9:13 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Cynthea, Winters is not the president of the school board. Mays is. You might have some very valid points but they will get lost if you don't get the simple facts correct.

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Cynthea Sabolich

6:33 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Jeff, we started going to BOE mtgs. back in Sept of 2009, when Mrs. Winters was the President, the $85 million 'knock down all the buildings' Stage 1 plan was not yet voted on, and Nate Cross was not a member of the board. My facts and recollection are correct.
When we began attending these meetings, we did so because we realized we were failing to do our civic duty by paying attention to our local politics. Since there is nothing more fundamental than our school boards, we decided to just show up and sit in the audience and listen. We had no agenda - except maybe asking why we don't have a vibrant Constitutional program as mandated by the Ohio Constitution. We did not know any of the BOE members personally or professionally. And we were and are impressed with the students and the curriculum.
Questions we asked where about trying to get a grasp of why on earth did they allow the situation to deteriorate, and why were they reacting instead of planning and replacing. Much ado was made over the fact that no BOE had requested a working Capital Improvement program, so instead of fixing the leaky roof, they could only fix the immediate leaks and the wet carpet.

Jeff Tock

8:06 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

As a sidelight Duane, your concept of a proforma is..... how would you say it?.....amateurish at best. Maybe Sullivan and Cross failed (or was not allowed by the board president) to eloquently state their objections. Or maybe they did but the reporter did not report it.

Whatever it might be, your attitude towards a proforma hints that maybe that is not your area of expertise but rather that of one who studies just enough to pass.

Please do not take afront- I just don't take condescension well.

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Duane Gibson

8:25 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Jeff, your comments hint that you believe you can baffle them with BS long enough and they might think you have a valid point. Take this for example -" Definition: Pro forma describes a presentation of data, typically financial statements, where the data reflect the world on an 'as if' basis. That is, as if the state of the world were different from that which is in fact the case."
Now since you choose to describe a five year forecast as proforma, not exactly accurate but let's let it slide for now, then my description is pretty much correct.
Your statement that ALL government entities disregard generally accepted practices is ridiculous, even you know that. Your mode of operation is to make outrageous statements with just enough truth to make the unaware believe it's plausible. Your previous posts are no different.
Apparently all your group has left is to attempt to connect a leaky roof with fiscal irresponsibility. Check over on the Bodi page for the explanation of this issue. (This is my area of expertise)
There simply is no excuse for a member (Cross) to state that he will vote no on any fiscal resolutions. The truth is he abstained on more than he voted on. Why is he there? He also made the statement that he will vote "no" on everything to protect himself. Seems more worried about his re-election than the children.

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Duane Gibson

10:13 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

Flustered? Hardly. You're gonna have to do better than that Poncho!
You're missing the point on Pro forma, but I didn't really think you were going to follow it through anyway.
Cross will be up for re-election shortly. Time will tell how he fares in that election. As far as Rocco goes, with the exception of a response or two to outrageous behavior on the part of Cross she has demonstrated professionalism and more importantly passion for the children of this district.
I just reread your comments here and can pretty safely say that I can agree to virtually nothing you have said. Not a surprise given your rhetoric from other columns. Your doom and gloom story has been repeated over and over. Truth of the matter is that I trust Mays and Winters to address our financial issues overwhelmingly above Bodi, Cross, Sullivan, or any of the other propaganda puppets that have presented themselves. Tony Falcone seems to be a voice of reason and should be a quality addition if elected.
On a personal note, and with a disclaimer that I am not a doctor, I'm not sure $1,000 or any amount would help your education. When you have been indoctrinated into a belief and I suspect only get your info from a few sources, the story won't change.
Interesting how you ignore Cross's behavior and ineptness.
In closing, for every $1.00 you send Columbus, they return $.09 for education in Westlake. That's something you should get emotional about. Keep it coming Jeff, it is amusing to hear your side.

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Jeff Tock

10:23 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

I'm sorry to fluster you Duane. I apologize for running pro forma together (although I am confident that spending $1000 more on my education would not have saved me from that gaffe).

I don't recall Cross up for reelection. If you are going to get emotional about Cross then why not Rocco? They both seem to be lightning rods.

I'm not sure what point you are getting at. "Outrageous statements"? "Just enough truth"? I'm guessing you agree with some points and not others. However you didn't clarify.

Duane Gibson

8:53 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

How about a synopsis on what Cross voted (or didn't vote) on:
http://beta.westlake.k12.oh.us/boe/agendaminutes/Board%20Notes/2011%20Board%20Notes/BoardNotes24Oct2011.pdf

Voted "NO" on
Approval of quarterly report and 5 year forecast
Appropriating K-12 and Title 3 grant funds (extra $ from State)
Approving 35 adjustments to appropriations to balance accounts
Board approval 0f 5 employee resignations (Really?)
Board approval of 1 employee retirement (Really Really?)

Abstained from voting on:
Authorizing a transfer of funds from general fund to athletics
Issuing certificates for Risk Insurance (Builders insurance
Issuing certificates for Food Service (cafeteria)
Accepting $12,600.00 from the State for K-12 services
Accepting $2,825.00 from Ohio for Immigrant services (Title III)

Keep in mind he had almost no comment on any issue except "I will vote no on any FY 12 resolution to cover myself" I could at least respect a "NO" vote on principal beliefs, but abstaining, especially on receiving monies from the State is wholly unacceptable. The ONLY solution Cross has is take salary away from the teachers.
That kind of narrow minded thinking will be remembered at election time for Cross.

Did he really abstain from accepting State dollars? Did he abstain from Kasich taking more of our dollars away? (9 cents for every dollar we send south comes back)

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Jeff Tock

9:49 pm on Thursday, October 27, 2011

That's pretty impressive. We get 9 cents out of every dollar we send to Columbus? Now if we could only figure out how to be Columbus.

Jeff Tock

1:39 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Hey Joe, wouldn't you agree that a team has many components and that dissidents help by causing reflection by the majority? Just something I picked up studying American history.

Look, I could care less affiliation, color, hair style, etc. Give me honesty and transparency. I want a board that manages and not panders. I want facts and not BS.

Sullivan & Cross are not the majority of this board. All votes are 3-2. So let's get over this whipping boy mentality and get to the facts. This is a Mays Winter Rocco board. We are looking at a 27.5 million deficit. The MWR team is telling your "don't worry, be happy". Does that sound sensible to you? More importantly, they will be asking you to be happy and vote a levy increase. Is that what you do with your kids? What do you say when they come to you and say they can't live within their means? I don't know about you but I don't automatically start handing out extra cash. Govt entities are no different than kids (especially our school board). I don't know how old you are but when I was growing up levies were few and far between. Westlake now plans them every 5 years. Does that sound sensible to you?

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Sam Quint

11:21 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

There is always a deficit at teh end of a levy cycle no matter what city you live in. Westlake last asked for an operating levy in 2006. Levy cycles are every 4-5 years. By not asking until 2013 they will have stretched funds that were supposed to last 5 years to 6-7 years depending if you are using fiscal or calendar years.

Getting 1-2 additional years out of a set amount of income while keeping taxes in Westlake lower than in Rocky River and Bay sounds pretty sensible if not outstanding

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Westlake Resident-Joe Smith

1:01 am on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Jeff, I recommend you put away the old history book (or at least check the author) or whatever radical literature you might be reading and pull out a good ole Merriam-Webster dictionary. You will find that team and dissident are quite the opposite.
We need a group of 5 board members working TOGETHER to reach a common goal of EXCELLENCE for a BROAD SPECTRUM of issues. Dissension does not belong on our BOE.

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Robert Bodi

8:59 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Sam, don't you see a terrible pattern here? The deficits are growing exponentially. A $27M deficit comes to almost $2,000 PER HOUSEHOLD! That is not at all typical. It's no longer about getting a few more years, but about the massive increase in spending. We have about $24M in cash this year, that goes to zero in 2014, and then goes extremely negative in just a couple of years. We are digging a hole so deep, it will take massive cuts to get us out of this. All because the Board majority failed to make the hard decsions that Cross and Sullivan have been demanding for years. But Duane, Joe, and Sam prefer to kill the messengers, rather than fix the problems.

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Jeff Tock

6:07 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011

Sorry Sam, whoever told you levy cycles are every 4 years is just lying to you. This "4 year cycle" is a recent phenomenon directly attributable to employee contracts and accelerated benefit costs over the last 30 years. You might have noticed that voters

Westlake just came to the voters for new buildings- some of which may have been needed and a high school that didn't. They didn't even bother to maintain it properly according to the pictures they trotted out in argument of a new building. On top of that they are tearing down the newest of the buildings first. Please enlighten me here.

Bay & RR aren't my concern- nor are we theirs (they have their own problems and don't be surprised if there isn't talk about consolidation within 10 years). The school board should be aware that asking for a building levy is going to greatly influence the ability to float an operating levy a couple years later. This really isn't rocket science Sam. The probability of a levy passing in the next 3 years in slim to none and slim left town. Remember, there is talk of a second building levy also (which includes maintenance- pretty sly and underhanded eh?)

You are right that there is always a deficit before a levy but I ask you to examine the management of these "cycles" and tell me if it makes sense. I obviously don't think so. The board has some 'splanin'" to do.

Jeff Tock

2:45 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Thanks for the compliment Duane. You are pretty entertaining yourself. Since you said you don't agree with anything I have said, let's be clear here.

You don't believe in transparency.
You don't believe in honesty.
You don't believe in a board that speaks to the people.

I stated my belief in those three items explicitly. You said you don't believe in anything I have said. I am assuming you do not believe in these ideals either?

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Jeff Tock

9:22 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

Please accept my apologies Cynthea. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Cynthea Sabolich

11:45 am on Friday, October 28, 2011

The basic assumption is that this is just normal business as usual, that all schools operate with a pyramid of cash flow from levies. Money gets approved, cash goes up, money gets spent and levy needs renewal, cash goes down. This runs contrary to the fact that it was stated in the April school board meeting that FOR THE FIRST TIME, operating costs exceed income, and were projected to continue on an upward line well into the future. So we now have to play catch up with an every growing line of costs and expenses.
When costs are kept below or at the income line, or match the growth of property values, then there is not a problem.
When Gov. Strickland spent $8 billion dollars that had to be balanced, it could only come from those places in the budget that could be cut while keeping Ohio from becoming a toxic wasteland to companies doing business here.
Why is it necessary to demonize those that are pointing out the obvious horizon based on the red ink being shown to the public?

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Sam Quint

12:47 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

It is normal business. It is how every school system in Ohio works. 2016, and the projected $27 million deficit, would be a FULL TEN YEARS past the last Westlake operational levy. Just like you cant run your household for 10 years on 5 years worth of money you cant expect Westalke, or any school system, to not have a projected deficit 10 years since they last asked for a levy.

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Sam Quint

12:56 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

It isnt deomnizing as much as it is pointing out a flawed thinking just for the purpose of scaring the people of Westlake into thinking costs are out of control. Using a projected deficit in 2016 is like saying that the Cleveland Browns wont have a team in 2016 because they only have 2 players whose contracts run through the 2016 season.

Bottom line is you cant cut $27 million worth of fat out of the Westlake Schools. The Board is doing a great job IN SPITE of two Board members

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Robert Bodi

9:02 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Sam, this is no longer how the taxpayers want the systems to work. Look at how many levies are going down. Look at Strongsville and Brecksville. If you think that the voters of Westlake are stupid enough to vote even more money to a fiscally irresponsible Board, then go ahead and keep your head in the sand. But for those of you who want real responsibility, I suggest voting in some new leadership, those committed to the ideals that Jeff lists above.

Cynthea Sabolich

2:02 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Sam, if it is normal business, then why did Dr. Keenan say it was not normal and it was the first time it crossed from solvent to excessive?
The people of Westlake deserve the truth and all sides so they can come to their own conclusions. The red ink is NOT something every single 5 year project had before. It is new. It is deep. And it is a looming problem. According to you, the 2001 5 year projection showed red ink after 3 years, and ergo the 2005, or 2009, or select any year and we'd see it end in $10's of millions of dollars in red ink. But this is the first time? hmmm. One of these things doesn't equal the other.
Please show me the 2006 5 year project and let's see if it is realistic or if it ended in a sea of red ink and $10's of million in deficit. Then maybe I will rethink my position.

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Sam Quint

2:31 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Source: The 2006 Westlake Levy website http://www.truwebs.com/wlake/faq/faq.asp

Q: Deficit increase over the years
Why does the deficit increase from $4.2 million in 2006-07 to $11 million the next year to $22 million the year after that?
A: The projected deficits are a cumulative effect of our expenses in relations to projected revenue. If you look at the forecast, we are projected to spend $5 million more than we bring in next school year (2006-07). The following school year we will spend $7 million more than we bring in. The year after that, the district will spend $9 million more than we bring in. Every year we do not cover our "deficit" the amount carries forward to the next 12 months.
Q: What is the school issue on the ballot this May?
A: On May 2, 2006, voters will be asked to vote for a 6.9-mill levy for the Westlake School District. There has not been a levy increase in Westlake in six years and the District is facing a $4.2 million deficit in school year 2006-07. Without this levy, the projected deficit jumps to $11.3 in 2007-08 and $21 million in 2008-09.

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Cynthea Sabolich

9:04 am on Saturday, October 29, 2011

I'm not afraid of numbers and facts. I'll go to the office next week and get the last 10 years of projections to compare. Here is where they define how the projects are done and what the numbers mean http://fyf.oecn.k12.oh.us/
Last Thursday, I was at Temple Emanu El for a townhall meeting. One of the candidates for city council, and I can't remember if it was City of Orange or City of Shaker Hts., waxed on about how he loved his 'progressive' community, and his goal, even in tough economic times, was to create a shining city that was 100% "green". Is that what Westlake is? We are knocking down buildings so we can erect green monuments for a global community? I'm not anti clean but was the school board of 2008 and 2009 believe that prosperity was going to be a constant and that we were the Gucci of cities that could be progressive and green and cutting edge? Is that public school excess? These are the choices before the voters today. We can re-elect people who, maybe a few years ago, could be called visionaries but today, with forecasts showing millions of dollars in red ink, salaries and benefits overtaking the entire budget, and no safety net to keep these new buildings operating, we need practical and logical and critical thinkers. Replace Mrs. Winters and Mr. Mays with people who can make solid decisions for our children and our citizens; Geoff Rapp, Robert Bodi, and Michelle Albert.

Sam Quint

2:36 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

I will say it again....it is impossible for any school system to not have projected deficit 5 years out (2016) when you have passed an operating levy since 2006. Nobody can make 5 years worth of money last 10 years. Not a single school system and not a single resident of Westlake.

Either certain Board member know this and are using it to scare the people of Westlake or they have no clue how school funding works.

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Robert Bodi

9:05 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

No, Sam, it is not "impossible". Keep expenses level, and we wouldn't need a levy for five more years. The district is not growing, inflation is very low, and thus costs should not be skyrocketing as they are.

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Sam Quint

8:17 am on Sunday, October 30, 2011

Keep expenses level.....on paper that sure looks nice and it makes good campain rhetoric but it is something to cant follow through on.

Freeze all salaries....the Board could do that.

Control the cost of fuel for the buses, electricity, nat gas...nope

Control the cost of educational materials (paper,ink,textbooks)......nope

Control the cost of replacing/ new technology........nope

So it appears your plan is to balance the budget on the backs of the very people who provide services for the children of Westlake. How very Kasich of you.

The fed up Westlake taxpayer.....the same taxpayer who has seen their tax dollars stretched by the current Board while also enjoying LOWER TAXES than Bay and River.

If your "vision" of cutting average salary by $10,000 is the solution you are going to come up way short. Roughly 300 teachers times $10,000 is $3million. Where is the rest coming from? There simply isn't the of control spending you claim.

Duane Gibson

3:07 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

Not happy with how school funding works? Contact YOUR Governor and instruct him to obey the Ohio Supreme Court which has ruled four times that Ohio's process is unconstitutional.
Also ask him to send more than 9 cents of every tax dollar WE send him back and stop raping schools and cities.
The sad fact is that Westlake receives a pittance in state aid compared to urban districts and southern Ohio rural districts. Do you think it's by design given the largely right swinging of those in southern cow town?

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Robert Bodi

9:08 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Um, Duane, do you understand how this works? The state is NOT going to take money from Westlake just to give it back to Westlke. The unconsitutional part of school funding is that rich districts can more easily raise money than poor districts. Westlake is NOT a poor district. If anything, due to housing values, Westlake would be conisdered a rich district. Thus, if we fix the "unconstitutional" funding issue, guess what? The state will tax us to send money to districts like Cleveland and Youngstown. The idea that Westlake will ever get more money from the state under this "fix" is sheer lunacy! It will never happen.

Duane Gibson

3:09 pm on Friday, October 28, 2011

By the way Cynthea, if you haven't seen those past five year forecasts you might want to be careful what you wish for.

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Cynthea Sabolich

9:14 am on Saturday, October 29, 2011

I'm not afraid of numbers and facts. I'll go to the office next week and get the last 10 years of projections to compare. Here is where they define how the projects are done and what the numbers mean http://fyf.oecn.k12.oh.us/
On Thursday, I was at Temple Emanu El for a townhall meeting. One of the candidates for city council, and I can't remember if it was City of Orange or City of Shaker Hts., waxed on about how he loved his 'progressive' community, and his goal, even in tough economic times, was to create a shining city that was 100% "green", regardless of the cost. Is that what Westlake wants? We are leveling the school buildings so we can erect green monuments for a global community? I'm not anti clean but did the school board of 2008 and 2009 believe that prosperity was going to be a constant and that we were the Gucci of cities that could be progressive and green and cutting edge? Isn't that public school excess? These are the choices before the voters today. We can re-elect people who, maybe a few years ago, could be called visionaries but today, in the current economic times, we need people who can look at all aspects and make decisions which are right for both the children and the citizens. Remember Westlake, this is public schools, where we are looking at excesses and spending to a wish list as if it were monopoly money. It isn't. We need Rapp, Bodi, and Albert on the board. It is your money they will need to make up those $10's of millions in debt.

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Duane Gibson

12:32 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Seriously, that's what you're down to? LOL
Comparing our school building project to one individuals ideas from a city miles away that you can't even remember who he is or what city he is from.

I'm not sure where or how you misaligned the concept of adequate facilities for all students, energy conservation, and healthy buildings into "green monuments for a global community", but that isn't unexpected given your recent rantings.
The fact of the matter is that whomever was on the BOE for the periods where the building project came to fruition was indeed visionary. You can keep pouring money into inadequate facilities (and Westlake spent more than comparable districts and well above the state average), or you can build new buildings that are healthy, energy efficient, handicap accessible, and are up to date with current codes for fire and life safety issues.
I think your CANDIDATES have spoken quite well for themselves and have made it very clear what their platform is.........destruction of public education in Westlake.
What we need are people who act on behalf of Westlake citizens, students, and the District who have no other agenda except to maintain the excellence and improve the District. For that reason, I have already cast my ballot (even though Kasich is trying to take that away from me) for Mays - Winter - Falcone. Please don't waste your time replying Cynthea, to be honest this is the first time I have actually read your rantings in about a week.

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Sam Quint

4:58 pm on Saturday, October 29, 2011

Wow I see the sky is falling,doom and gloom, scare tactics of 2 of the Board members and the 3 unwise people that you seem to support has worked on you. I hope you are aware that they can't deliver on what they claim because there isn't that much fat to cut in the schools and that what fat there is doesn't add up to much....certainly not 10's of millions.

The "problems" Westlake has are the same that EVERY school system has. Avon Schools describe it as "a challenge but certainly not doom and gloom" but right next door in Westlake 5 people want you to believe that the world is coming to an end and that there is mismanagement. Check the Avon Press from 2 weeks ago for the article.

No matter who is on the Board they ARE going to ask the people of Westlake for a levy and they are going to have projected deficits at the end of 5 year forecasts.

The 2000 levey was supposed to last until 2004---- it lasted until 2006
The 2006 levy was a 5 year levy and it looks like it will be 2013 before the people of Westlake are asked again. That's 13 years on 9 years worth of revenue and you claim that they are spending it like monolopy money? Get serious.

Clearly you are not grasping the fact that every school district in Ohio is insolvent after about 5 years since for schools their income is fixed but their expenses are not.

Enjoy the Bodi Kool-ade just don't drink it and curb you car in front of a school like one of your 3 chosen ones is rumored to have done.

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Jeff Tock

6:54 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011

You are flat out lying that Westlake spent more on building maintenance than other districts Duane. We are not even close to our surrounding districts or the ones we consider our peers. I wish I could say you could look it up on our Westlake BOE website but, alas, you will have to go to the state website and spend some time to find it. I wish I could post my spreadsheet- a spreadsheet says a thousand words.

Duane Gibson

1:01 am on Sunday, October 30, 2011

Bob, you have again shown your lack of knowledge. The issue on unconstitutional state funding is that the state is required to provide BASIC education to all school districts. Taking my dollar and redistributing that dollar while giving me nine cents back will not allow me to provide that education. They rely on the ability of districts such as Westlake to levy taxes on citizens to make up the rest.
Let me sum up the issue here. We all realize we face some financial challenges, we also realize you aren't the person we want to work through those issues. Your continued lack of knowledge scares me. You can rant and rave, but you're unqualified.

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Jeff Tock

6:42 pm on Thursday, November 3, 2011

Speaking of ranting and raving Duane, what is your solution? You have not presented any ideas other than throw more money at it as often and as much as is necessary to sustain the status quo. If you have been paying attention, the status quo is not and will not work based upon increasing layoffs and reducing services. I suppose we can eliminate lunches next (that was one of my favorites from the CMSD lately). The present situation is a problem- so are you a part of the problem or a part of the solution? If you want to be a part of the solution then let's hear some legitimate ideas other than the "stick our heads in the sand" line.

This is an interesting time for slowing growth communities such as ours. We can learn a lot from how the inner ring suburbs have (or haven't) addressed these problems.

Duane Gibson

12:08 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

Jeff, here it is. I posted this before, and I know you've read it, but check it out. This is the ODE report. It clearly states what Westlake spends and comparable districts along with state averages. (Note that we actually spent much more than other districts.http://www.education.ohio.gov/GD/Templates/Pages/ODE/ODEDetail.aspx?page=3&TopicRelationID=1214&ContentID=101209&Content=102437
That being said, you've finally made a little sense. There is much to be learned from other districts. But seriously, CMSD? I'm assuming you mean Cleveland. Do you really want to compare Westlake to Cleveland? The only thing they have in common is the lack of funding from the state. Cleveland hasn't passed a operating levy since 1996. Read Sam's comments on this above.

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Duane Gibson

12:08 am on Friday, November 4, 2011

I think you know that Westlake's schools are inadequate, massively inefficient, etc. It's apparent that you have little knowledge of the OSFC or the State's building projects. What did you think they were going to take pictures of, shiny toilets and well trimmed grass? Their job is to evaluate the problems with the structures. The argument that the schools were not maintained might gather some force for those who don't know the facts, but those that do realize that the BOE did two very wise and thoughtful actions. #1 - Choosing to ask the voters to build now and #2 - not including the OSFC in the project. If you haven't seen the Ohio Design Manual for schools, which we would have been bound to comply with, it is a very large template that is great for large districts but would restrict a vibrant district like Westlake.

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